Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0r7e78-00006eC; Wed, 16 Nov 94 08:45 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4132; Wed, 16 Nov 94 08:45:18 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4127; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:45:18 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9213; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:42:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:28:24 EST Reply-To: bob@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: Lojban list From: bob@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: size of breeds To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 1321 Lines: 30 The `sumti' paper says: 7.7) [su'o] lo ci gerku cu blabi [some-of] those-which-really-are three dogs are-white are semantically anomalous .... (Actually, because "gerku" has an x2 place, namely the breed or variety of dog, it claims that there are three dogs of the breed which is understood from context. This is almost as bad, because no breed of dog has as few as three members.) Old fashioned cross breeding can create a breed consisting of just three dogs. One lamb was the first of the breed of short legged sheep that could not jump fences that early New Englanders favored. The lamb was what breeders in Darwin's time called a `sport', what we now call a mutant. The lamb survived and reproduced, so you might say that the breed, over time, had more than three members. However, some years ago, at a genetics lab, I saw a breed of mice with just one member. As far as I know, that breed was not worth continuing and did not survive beyond its first and only member. (Perhaps I should add that I think the sumti paper is terrific, except for presuming that the universe always be large.) Robert J. Chassell bob@gnu.ai.mit.edu 25 Rattlesnake Mountain Road bob@grackle.stockbridge.ma.us Stockbridge, MA 01262-0693 USA (413) 298-4725