Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0r6MOn-00005bC; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:38 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7091; Sat, 12 Nov 94 19:38:14 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7090; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:38:14 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9474; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:35:05 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 12:40:53 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: Cowan's summary: opacity and sumti-raising To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 499 Lines: 16 > Jorge: > > I don't know about "seek", but "look for" doesn't have to involve an > > abstraction. "I am looking for my book" is perfectly transparent, and > > I don't see why {sisku} can't be used for it. > > "There is a book belonging to me, and I am trying to find it." > ---- > And I don't understand. Are you agreeing or disagreeing? Your sentence doesn't involve opacity either. Do you agree that I can say {mi sisku le mi cukta}, where {le mi cukta} is not a property but an object? Jorge