From: Logical Language Group <lojbab>
Message-Id: <199411161816.AA18138@access2.digex.net>
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Lambda Notation For Dummies (and & Rosta) & Lojban
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:16:50 -0500 (EST)
Cc: lojbab@access.digex.net (Logical Language Group)
In-Reply-To: <199411160649.AA10466@nfs2.digex.net> from "Chris Bogart" at Nov 15, 94 10:56:10 pm
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mi pu cusku di'e

> >This proposal involves creating an explicit "lambda quantifier", which would
> >formally belong to selma'o PA but would be attached only to da-series KOhA
> >or BY cmavo.  Call it "xa'e" temporarily.  Using it, Example 11
> >can be translated:
> >
> >15)     le ka xa'eda mamta [zo'e]

la kris. cusku di'e

> Could this also replace "ke'a" in POI phrases?  It seems so similar to ke'a
> that there ought to be some way to combine them or at least make them
> somehow parallel...
> 
>         *mi nelci da poi xa'eda mamta
>         "I like things which are mothers"

You don't need "ke'a" in that situation, because "da" suffices:

	mi nelci da poi da mamta

"ke'a" is most useful when the sumti being modified by the relative clause
has no natural anaphora.

> The differences between ke'a, -kau, and xa'e are interesting to think about;
> they seem to do similar things in different contexts.  I have to say they
> almost seem like kluges, but I can't think of any way around using them.
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Agreed.

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