Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0r7NDb-00006eC; Tue, 15 Nov 94 14:42 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0087; Tue, 15 Nov 94 14:42:52 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0081; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 14:42:51 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2865; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:39:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:38:23 MET Reply-To: Goran Topic Sender: Lojban list From: Goran Topic Subject: Re: re loi smani X-To: Lojban Listserv To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1069 Lines: 23 Now that I've come to think about it, re loi broda is quite nonsensical. Condider this: I believe I'm right if I assume that {pimu loi djacu} is 0.5=half of all the water in the universe of current discourse. then {piro loi djacu}, all of the water, is the double of 0.5, which is ={pa loi djacu}. Now, if you say {re loi djacu}, that's doubled again, so it would be twice {piro loi djacu}. You can't discuss twice as much water as there is in the universe of discourse in a transparent sense (assuming, again, I understood the opaque/transparentr distinction correctly). I guess, Robert, that you took that {loi djacu} means "some mass of water" my itself, forgetting the implicit quantifiers {[pisu'o] loi [ro] djacu}. When you put {re} in it, you LOSE the {pisu'o}: now you don't speak of parts of the mass anymore, but of two instances of a (mass of all water), which is unique! co'o mi'e. goran. -- Learn languages! The more langs you know, the more incomprehensible you can get e'udoCILreleiBANgu.izo'ozo'onairoBANguteDJUnobedocubanRI'a.ailekadonaka'eSELjmi