Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rARgS-00007EC; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:05 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4684; Thu, 24 Nov 94 02:05:19 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4680; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:05:19 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0174; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 01:02:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:52:59 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Some thoughts on Lojban gadri X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 2010 Lines: 48 This is my current understanding of how the Lojban gadri of selmaho LE work. Probably it is different from the official position so, like all I say, to be taken with lots of salt. lo broda At least one of all things that broda. It doesn't say which one(s), but the question is pertinent and has an answer in principle (which doesn't mean that the speaker has to know it). le broda Each of the thing(s) that the speaker has in mind that broda. It does say which one(s), even if the listener can't tell (in which case, the comunication hasn't been all that effective). lo'e broda It doesn't say which one(s), and the question is not pertinent. (The answer would be "anyone", but since "any" is such a nasty word, let's just say that "which one?" can't even in principle be answered with "that one".) le'e broda Like {lo'e broda}, but restricted to the kind of broda the speaker has in mind (which may include not-really broda as well). loi broda Like {lo broda}, but instead of taken idividually a group of broda is taken as a single entity. lei broda Like {le broda}, but instead of each separately, all of them as a single entity. {lo'e broda} and {le'e broda} would correspond to {xe'e lo broda} and {xe'e le broda} if {xe'e} was adopted. Currently there are no direct equivalents to what would be {xe'e loi broda} and {xe'e lei broda}. lo'i broda Same as {lu'i ro lo broda}. le'i broda Same as {lu'i ro le broda}. I think these are not really necessary, since they are only useful in very restricted mathematical contexts, and the long form is much more explicit. One of these days I'll publish my cmavo blacklist, with all the cmavo that I think are unnecessarily cluttering up cmavo space (quite a number of them) :) Jorge