Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0r8JqG-000071C; Fri, 18 Nov 94 05:18 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7504; Fri, 18 Nov 94 05:18:41 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7503; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 05:18:40 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4784; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:15:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:51:30 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: small universe consequences X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: (Your message of Wed, 16 Nov 94 19:41:38 EST.) Content-Length: 739 Lines: 21 Bob: > Consider the following while presuming it makes a difference whether > the Lojban utterance is true or false: > > Suppose the context concerns just three specific cats, no others: > > .i pa lo ci mlatu cu grusi > One of the three cats is gray. > > As I intended the utterance, it means something different if it is > true or if it is false. I'm still unable to see what you mean. Your Lojban example means "one of the three cats is grey" (roughly). What difference does it make whether this is true or false? Okay it may make a difference to you if you bet $1000000 that one of the three cats is grey, but I don't see how we have 2 different meanings according to whether there is or isn't a grey cat. --- And