Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0r4we4-00005bC; Tue, 8 Nov 94 21:55 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7441; Tue, 08 Nov 94 21:56:08 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7439; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:56:05 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8192; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:52:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:25:07 EST Reply-To: bob@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: Lojban list From: bob@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: le ninmu veridicality query X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 785 Lines: 19 jorge@phyast.pitt.edu cuku di'e ... For example, say I use {le ninmu} to refer non-veridically to a number of men. Then I could say mi viska pa le ci ninmu I see one of the three "women". This is -specific. Is it also -veridical? It looks like it is. I do not understand what you are suggesting by asking whether `it' is -veridical. The expression {le ninmu} is not veridical, since you are saying that you are designating entities as women regardless of whether or not they `really' are women. However, the utterance as a whole is true in the context you described. Robert J. Chassell bob@gnu.ai.mit.edu 25 Rattlesnake Mountain Road bob@grackle.stockbridge.ma.us Stockbridge, MA 01262-0693 USA (413) 298-4725