Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0r4HU7-00005bC; Mon, 7 Nov 94 01:58 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8524; Mon, 07 Nov 94 01:59:06 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8521; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:59:07 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8137; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 00:55:58 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 16:57:00 -0700 Reply-To: Chris Bogart Sender: Lojban list From: Chris Bogart Subject: Re: context in Lojban X-To: lojban@cuvmb.bitnet To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 661 Lines: 17 > .i mi nitcu lo tanxe > >is *specific* as to which box, and > > .i mi nitcu le tanxe > >is *not* specific as to which box. This is basic to Lojban. I don't think that's correct. "le tanxe" has been consistently glossed in the reference and teaching materials as "what I refer to as a box", which is specific, at least according to John's definition (i.e. specific means the speaker has a particular item in mind; definite means the listener has a particular item in mind) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Bogart cbogart@quetzal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~