Message-Id: <199412030228.AA01026@nfs2.digex.net> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:28:12 -0400 From: BITNET list server at CUVMB (1.8a) Subject: LOJBAN: error report from STONEBOW.OTAGO.AC.NZ X-Lsv-Listid: None Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Fri Dec 2 21:29:03 1994 X-From-Space-Address: LISTSERV@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU The enclosed mail file, found in the LOJBAN reader and shown under the spoolid 7264 in the console log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice for the following reason: mail origin is listed in "Filter=" list header keyword (or its default value for LOJBAN). ------------------------- Message in error (81 lines) ------------------------- 3 Dec 1994 15:13:44 +1300 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:13:44 +1300 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199412030213.AA05117@arwen.otago.ac.nz> Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 255 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 ... unknown mailer error 255 ----- Unsent message follows ----- 4 +1300 3 Dec 1994 15:12:12 +1300 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 20:30:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jorge Llambias Subject: RE: more sources of opacity-like phenomena Resent-To: st004202@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Resent-Message-Id: <01HK7M6BRIS2B8JRJ1@rivendell.otago.ac.nz> Message-Id: <01HK7M59DLK2B7B777@rivendell.otago.ac.nz> X-Envelope-To: st004202@stonebow.otago.ac.nz X-Vms-To: IN%"chandley@otago.ac.nz" "Chris Handley" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT And: > And what about the scope of tenses and quantified sumti? > My example was "I regularly read a book" - is it the same book > or a possibly different book on each occasion? As I understand it: mi di'i tcidu lo cukta Regularly it is the case that there is a book that I read (not necessarily the same one). This is different from: mi di'i tcidu le cukta Regularly it is the case that I read the book(s) I'm talking about (the same one(s)). Also you can say: mi tcidu lo cukta di'i[ku] There is a book that I read regularly (obviously the same one, nonspecific). >This depends on > whether the 'tense' [is it tahe? - I don't remember offhand] > has scope over "lo cukta". It does if attached to the selbri. (It can be thought as being universally quantified over in-mind instances, just like {le}. That is why it commutes with universally quantified things (le) but not with existentially quantified ones (lo, and as far as I can tell, loi as well). Jorge