Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rHmQK-00007DC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 07:38 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA12737 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:38:46 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKMFAYS3O00001PV@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:37:47 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3850; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:38:57 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9639; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:35:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:36:09 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: reply: (1) veridicality Sender: Lojban list Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKMFAZLCNA0001PV@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT To: ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 829 Lines: 23 >Most of the UIs are like this, I suspect. Only strong irony would lead >us to use them nonliterally (& arguably, if irony is a form of quotation >then irony is not necessarily nonliteral). > >But "lo" does have a use other than as a veridicality particle. >"lo broda" = "da poi broda", i.e. existential quantification, >while "le broda" doesn't - "le broda" is a reference to a constant, >not toa bound variable. >--More-- > >--- >And > >[p.s. It was a rare pleasure for me to receive a message saying >"I basically agree with you"!] But I can't agree with you. That equals sign is not correct. "lo broda" does not reference any particular bound variable. It implies that there could be an alternate phrasing using a bound variable (although there are still questions of scope for such a variable, last I recall). lojbab