Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rI8ud-00007DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 07:39 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA10418 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 07:39:33 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKNTMAY6XS0009ZV@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 05:38:34 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3142; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 07:39:43 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2524; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 06:36:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 00:37:53 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: the other side of the kau Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKNTMAYRNM0009ZV@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 903 Lines: 19 >According to the grammar paper, using {makau} or {la meiris kau} is >equivalent, only that the latter suggests what is the answer to the indirect >question, but doesn't really assert it. Hey, the grammar paper was written by someone otrher than Nora and may not be right. Whether it asserts or not when a value is supplied can be argued. I do not like making any assumptions about the significance of ba'e to semantics, so that option is at least as questionable. Back when we proposed kau, I think the norm was to use dakau rather than makau, another case where intermediate conventions that have not been much used seem to have become 'rules' without much discussion. Note that with a couple of exceptions, I have not reviewed any of Cowan's grammar papers. They are NOT baselined or cast in concrete. (And a good thing too, given the turmoil the "any" question has been causing.) lojbab