Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rJpyh-00007DC; Mon, 19 Dec 94 23:50 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA02668 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 23:50:46 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HKUCPWCBVK000D2B@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:49:51 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3938; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:47:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:48:51 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: cmavo hit list - lojbab responds In-reply-to: <199412070750.AA17945@access1.digex.net> from "Logical Language Group" at Dec 7, 94 02:50:41 am Sender: Lojban list Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKUCPWD6YA000D2B@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT To: Lojban List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1387 Lines: 42 la lojbab. joi la xorxes. casnu > >> >Since letterals are really pro-sumti and not letters, these shifts > >> >only augment the number of available pro-sumti, > >> > >> alpha particles, gamma rays, "I am the alpha and the omega" - these > >> things tend to crop up in non-mathematical language on occasion. > > > >And can you show how you would use shifts for these, rather than names? > > Not without the lerfu paper showing the word assignments for the Greek > lerfu. > > But using the bu convention, how about: > > mi .alfas.bumoi gi'e .omegas.bumoi This may work, although I don't think the sentence means "I am the alpha'th and the omega'th", but then perhaps I am wrong. > or > > mi medu be alfas.bu .e .omegas.bu This I can rule out: it fails to meet Jorge's point. This means "I pertain to the referent of \alpha and of \omega", and the reader naturally asks: To what sumti do \alpha and \omega refer? (The non-TeXnical should imagine actual Greek letters appearing here). I think the best hope is: mi du la'e mo'e .alfas.bu .e la'e mo'e .omegas.bu I am the-referent-of the-letter \alpha and the-referent-of the-letter \omega where the explicit "la'e" makes this not a pro-sumti reference but some more general kind. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.