Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rDCQW-00007FC; Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:24 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8081; Thu, 01 Dec 94 16:24:15 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8076; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:24:13 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0280; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:20:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:21:02 EST Reply-To: bob@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: bob@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: {loi} electron To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 1063 Lines: 25 As far as we know, all electrons in the universe are identical except for differences in position and velocity. When you perceive an electron (as with a Millikan experiment with charged oil droplets) you say, `Mr. Electron again'. Hence {loi} is a good categorizer for electrons: la milikan pu ganse loi dikca Millikan detected part of the mass of all electrons. However, we also count electrons; for example, on one oil droplet, Millikan detected three electrons. This suggests, which is contrary to the sumti paper: la milikan pu ganse ci loi dikca What should I say, to talk about three electrongs, that are not part of a team, are not typical or stereotypical, are not merely what I am designating, are `for real', but also are truly all identical; maybe all the same single entity, merely moving for fractions of a Planck time from one spot/velocity to another? Robert J. Chassell bob@gnu.ai.mit.edu 25 Rattlesnake Mountain Road bob@grackle.stockbridge.ma.us Stockbridge, MA 01262-0693 USA (413) 298-4725