Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rI0Ak-00007DC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 22:19 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA20444 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:19:38 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKNA32OGSG0004A7@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:18:39 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5773; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:19:47 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9378; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:16:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:17:31 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: plural Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HKNA33DIEE0004A7@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 870 Lines: 18 la djan cusku di'e ra'a lu piro lei li'u > The trouble is that under the assumption you want, that properties are not > inherited from part to whole (with which I agree), an assumed "piro" > makes it impossible to say "mi pinxe lei djacu" unless you drank every > single molecule of the in-mind mass. Why impossible? It means that you drank the whole mass of water you have in mind. Does this imply every single molecule? Does reading a book imply reading every single word? The "problem" then is with the predicates "drink" and "read", not with {lei}. The mass properties are not the properties shared by every component either. A mass of water has the property of being drank if most of it ends up in your stomach, even if some is spilt in the process. This has to do with the pragmatics of "drink", not with what happens to individual molecules of water. Jorge