Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rFStJ-00006wC; Wed, 7 Dec 94 22:23 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8849; Wed, 07 Dec 94 22:23:21 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8847; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:23:11 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0006; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 21:19:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:15:13 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: habitual/typical To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 919 Lines: 25 la bob cusku di'e > {ta'e} Habitually - standard measured or understood by, i.e., referent > tends to be the experience of the entity concerned. > > lo grusi mlatu ta'e plipe lo mi ckana > A/The grey cat habitually jumps on my bed. > > {na'o} Typically - standard measured or understood by, i.e., referent > tends to be the experience of other entities > similar to the entity concerned. > > lo mlatu na'o kalte loi smacu > A/The cat typically hunts mice. I assume that "the entity concerned" refers both to the cat and the bed in the first example and the cat and the mice in the second. Then {na'o} is not really about the referents of the sumti in question, but about the associated typical ones? The second sentence would be a merging of {lo mlatu ta'e kalte loi smacu} with {lo'e mlatu ta'e kalte lo'e smacu}? Jorge