Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rGFYX-00007DC; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:20 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3191; Sat, 10 Dec 94 02:21:12 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3188; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:21:12 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0218; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:17:54 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:22:01 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: 'metalogical descriptions' To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 911 Lines: 31 And: > How do we say things like > the predicate Gerku has 2 places [NB NOT the word 'gerku'] _le se gismu be zo gerku cu se gismu fi lo remei_ The relationship expressed by the word "gerku" is a relationship among a pair of argument roles. > the x1 place of Gerku is a category The x1 of "gerku" would be: {le te gismu befi zo gerku be'o pamoi} or {le pamoi co te gismu befi zo gerku} Now, I don't understand why you would say that it is a category, because the x1 of gerku is rather a member of a category, I think. > members of x1 places are typically agents so'i te gismu pamoi cu gasnu Many x1's are agents. (gasnu is the wrong selbri there, because the argument roles are not agents, they are agent roles, but I don't know how to say that.) Notice that "typically" has nothing to do with time frequency here, so na'o would not be the right word to use. Jorge