Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rHzuw-00007DC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 22:03 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA19831 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:03:15 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKN9HS3QFK0008M1@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:02:16 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5516; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:03:25 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8555; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:00:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:05:05 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: kau Sender: Lojban list Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HKN9HSP2ZA0008M1@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 514 Lines: 15 la djer cusku di'e > The word list gives us an example, " I know WHO went to the store" as an > appropriate usage for kau. "Who went to the store?" would be an > interrogative use of who, but here I see it as a personal relative > pronoun. In English maybe. In Lojban, what you know is a predication, not an object. You don't djuno the goer, you djuno the fact that he goes. It's "I know the fact:[who went to the store]", not what your analysis suggests: "I know [who]" & "[who] went to the store". Jorge