Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rIA2M-00007DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 08:51 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA13166 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:51:37 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKNW5MG0CW0009SM@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 06:50:38 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3854; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:51:47 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4684; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 07:48:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 01:49:30 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Lojban and jello-wrestling Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKNW5N598M0009SM@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: cbogart@quetzal.com X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 519 Lines: 13 There WAS consensus, but it was not written down, and Jorge has essentially chalklenged what we have never written. The contradiuction may be between what JCB set forth as the fundamental design goal - metaphysical minimalism - and what he decided was the essential minimum in metaphysical assumptions necessary to support predicate calculus, vs. what we ACTUALLY may need. I think the answers will be simple, but am afraid thhat they will have impact on usage and may invalidate miscellaneous old texts. lojbab