Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rH5WN-00007LC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:50 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4757; Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:50:24 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4754; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:50:24 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6603; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 08:47:05 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 02:49:35 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: jei To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 1032 Lines: 19 >I really don't see what is malglico about {le du'u xukau}, it seems >to me to be very Lojbanic, making indirect questions more regular in >Lojban than they are in English. If anything, I'd say using {jei} for >"whether" is malglico, because it tends to make Lojban have the same >irregularity that English has in having a special word for the yes/no >indirect question. Nora would probably disagree, and she invented kau if I recall. She even considers calling them "indirect questions" to be malglico, and preferred to use null/netral values like"dakau"instead of "makau" I would have to dig to find out, but I think she had examples where she thought thinking of these things as a form of 'question' was misleading as to their nature. You on the other hand seem to feel that indirection always implies a question. No easy way to settle it. So lets just agree to disagree until we can find an example where each other's understandings do not work. I'll leave the "kau" line in the cmavo list unchanged for the nonce. lojbab