Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rEk6M-00007GC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 22:33 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8714; Mon, 05 Dec 94 22:33:51 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8708; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:33:50 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8527; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 21:30:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:20:36 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: existential quantification To: Lojban List In-Reply-To: <199411260050.AA18996@nfs2.digex.net> from "Iain Alexander" at Nov 25, 94 11:40:28 pm Content-Length: 803 Lines: 19 la .i,n. cusku di'e > I pretty much agree with Jorge on this, but I'd like to repeat a > suggestion I've made in the past. I like {za'i} in this situation. > > mi troci lo za'i mi viska do > > This assumes that {za'i } (the state ) is some > sort of abstraction from all the events {nu }. I think this statement evinces a confusion between "nu" and "mu'e", between events and point-events. In Lojban, a state is a kind of event. You may say that a state is made up of a welding-together of many point-events, provided you quantize time (and we don't have to), but nothing can be done with states that can't be done with (generalized, {nu}) events. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.