Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rHxkb-00007DC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 19:44 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA13186 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:44:28 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKN4NPRI0W0003SE@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 17:43:29 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2842; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:44:38 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9245; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:41:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:40:17 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: some help needed In-reply-to: <199412141717.AA18778@nfs2.digex.net> from "Roberto Ricci" at Dec 14, 94 04:27:07 pm Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKN4NPS2R60003SE@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: Lojban List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1001 Lines: 29 > How do I refer to some sentence as a whole? I want to translate something like: > > Let P be the sentence "..." > > needing to be able to refer to the propositional constant P for later use. It depends on whether you want to use P later as a term, or as a functor. If the former, then it's easy: daxipy. poi du'u ... [kei] zo'u ....... bound-variable-P such-that [it-is] the-predication "..." : and then you use "daxipy." thereafter. This literally means "da-sub-P"; since only "da", "de", "di" are available as bound variables, people who want more subscript them. As a functor, you say: su'o bu'axipy. cei "..." zo'u ........ there-exists-at-least-one predicate-variable-P with-value "..." : and then "bu'axipy." is a functor ("bu'a" is the predicate equivalent of "da", and is Lojban's gateway to 2nd-order predicate calculus). -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.