Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rH65c-00007DC; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:26 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5087; Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:26:50 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5083; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:26:48 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7334; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:23:27 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:24:10 -0800 Reply-To: Gerald Koenig Sender: Lojban list From: Gerald Koenig Subject: Cowan's sum: any X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1997 Lines: 42 djan said: >The need for "any"s comes up when we have some kind of opaque context, >including an imperative; invariably (I claim) this involves a subordinated >abstraction clause. Since "any" as xe'o, means one taken from a set of at least two, and "any" also means "some taken indiscrimminately" from a set (Webster); there does exist a subordinate clause to the effect that the thing selected, x, is a member of some set S, which is the extension of some implicit subordinate clause which defines the set. Example: I want any (xe'o) sandwich: The any selects from a set of at least two sandwiches in the universe of discourse, such as the menu. So the full statement is: I want any sandwich (that is a sandwich on the menu). The set is {all the sandwiches on the menu}. However, if "I want any sandwich" means "I want a sandwich" then it need not involve selection from any set, and has no implicit subordinate clause. So I do agree with djan's statement that "any" carries with it an implicit subordinate clause *in the case* where "any" selects from a set, that is xe'o and where more than one is selected. I disagree in the case where "any" is taken to mean "a" and "a" means one, and there is only one in the universe of discourse: A case where you say to your wife, "I want any sandwich you have", and she says, "There's one in the refrigerator.", and you say,"I'll take it". It is not necessary to assume anything about the existence of a class of sandwiches in this case; or any other subordinate clause. It's just first order object talk. "Any" here has been taken to mean one, with no reference to selection from a set. Quine quote of the day: "The bulk of logical reasoning takes place on a level which does not presuppose abstract entities. ...I consider it a defect in an all-purpose formulation of the theory of reference if it represents us as referring to abstract entities from the very beginning rather than only where there is a real purpose in such reference." djer