Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rJpEa-00007DC; Mon, 19 Dec 94 23:03 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01037 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 23:03:07 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HKUB1T7KBK000CYR@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:02:12 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1207; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:59:51 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:05:16 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: query about gihe, & correction of pemci Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HKUB1T80C2000CYR@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 972 Lines: 25 la djan di'e la and spusku > > Is it better to say: > > Do mi zmadu lo ni/ka nelci gihe se mamta vau zohe > > No, I think not. In either case you get "you are more than me in the > property of liking (someone) and of having a mother". There is no connection > between the "se nelci" and the "mamta", and the "zo'e" doesn't help, because > "zo'e" doesn't preserve identity through splitting up of logical connectives; > it can mean different things in different branches of the logical connection. > > Using "da", with or without a lambda indicator, would have the right effect. Would it? If da is not in the prenex, then I thought you agreed that the scope of its existential quantifier comes after the scope of "gi'e" in this case. It would expand to {nelci da ije se mamta de}. On the other hand, {le ka zo'e da nelci gi'e se mamta} would have the right effect. Still, a lambda variable (say, ke'a) would be even better: {le ka ke'a nelci le ke'a mamta} Jorge