Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rKtgW-00007MC; Thu, 22 Dec 94 22:00 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA28953 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 22:00:22 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HKYFQ2OFLC0001AL@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 19:59:27 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4514; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 20:57:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 19:59:09 +0000 From: ucleaar Subject: Scope-leaping: xa'a, xa'anai (-> xo'u -> bo'u) Sender: Lojban list Reply-to: ucleaar Message-id: <01HKYFQ2PK360001AL@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 883 Lines: 19 This is a reminder to say that the proposal, originating with pc, of xa'a [named by Jorge, & NOT xa'a-as-talked-about-by-Djer] as an UI indicating scope leaping, and xa'anai [originating with me, & named by Jorge] indicating no scope leaping, still stands (as the chief, and possibly only, change to the grammar to deal with opacity). Since the effect of {xa'a}/{xa'anai} concerns ordering in the prenex of the duhu expressed by the seduhu, and since in a seduhu the prenex is marked by {zohu}, I suggest {bo'u} and {bo'unai} as the actual cmavo. These are currently unassigned (according to my list). I also suggest that in the meantime we give the cmavo new experimental names {xo'u} and {xo'unai}, in the hope that noone else starts using them to mean something else, as has happened with {xa'a} [no complaint intended - who can keep track of all experimental cmavo?]. --- And