From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Fri Dec 9 04:22:14 1994 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22772 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:22:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199412090922.AA22772@nfs1.digex.net> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7698; Fri, 09 Dec 94 04:22:02 EST Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7701; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:21:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:07:27 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: habitual/typical To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Status: RO la bob cusku di'e > > na'o kalte fa lo mlatu loi smacu > > Hunting is a typical relationship between cats (x1 or hunter) and > mice (x2 or prey). > > We look at other cats and other mice and other instances of hunting. > This works, but you do have to look at the whole bridi. To me {lo mlatu} is "at least one cat", not cats in general. To get the meaning you suggest I'd say kalte fa lo'e mlatu lo'e smacu na'o/ta'e say what fraction of the interval is covered by the event happening, I don't think it can change the sumti from {lo} to {lo'e}. > Now, let's try `habitually' in that utterance: > > > ta'e kalte fa lo mlatu loi smacu > > Here we have to look at the hunting and at the cat and its previous > experience and at the mouse and its previous experience (or the > plurals of these, or the `Mr. Mouse' entity). This works, too. Its experience previous to what? Does ta'e make reference to what went on before the interval in question? Jorge