From lojbab Mon Dec 19 17:18:57 1994 Received: from access2.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07479 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:18:53 -0500 Received: by access2.digex.net id AA13334 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for lojbab); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:18:44 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Message-Id: <199412192218.AA13334@access2.digex.net> Subject: Re: About 'zasti' To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu (Lojban List) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:18:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojbab@access.digex.net (Logical Language Group) In-Reply-To: <199412100013.AA06761@nfs1.digex.net> from "Jorge Llambias" at Dec 9, 94 03:56:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1186 Status: RO la rob. pu cusku di'e > > >zasti zat za'i exist > > >x1 exists/is real/actual/reality for x2 under metaphysics x3 > > > > In my opinion, this definition (though perfectly "politically correct" :) > > is not satisfactory. la xorxes. cusku di'e > I tend to agree with you. If I believe that something exists, then I believe > it exists for everybody. If I want to say that in my opinion something > exists but I accept that you think that it doesn't, then I wouldn't say > {ko'a na zasti do}, since in my opinion it exists for everybody. That is an expression of one possible x3 value. There may be other metaphysices (?) where what exists for me need not exist for you and vice versa. So you might deny "ko'a na zasti do mi", but accept "ko'a na zasti do ko'e", where "ko'e" is bound to some subjectivist metaphysics. > Unless the x2 is the place for the one who holds the opinion, but then every > selbri should have such a place. Actually, x2 is semi-cleft with respect to x3; it is the person who has the role of "experiencer" within x3. Or so my metaphysics tells me. :-) -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.