From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Fri Dec 9 04:22:38 1994 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22797 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:22:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199412090922.AA22797@nfs1.digex.net> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9176; Fri, 09 Dec 94 04:22:25 EST Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7903; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:22:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:42:30 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: Order of time tenses To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: (Your message of Wed, 07 Dec 94 19:47:22 EST.) Status: RO > TAhE says how the interval is to be filled by the event. (I'm including > the 'numberROI' here with TAhE.) It can be continuously filled with one > event, regularly with an indeterminate number of repetitions, etc. > > ZAhO says what "phase" we are talking about. The "phase" can coincide > with the event proper (ca'o), be some time after the event proper (ba'o), > before the start of the event proper (pu'o), after what should have been > the end but wasn't (za'o), at the start (co'a), at the end (co'u), etc. I should have thought it necessary to have [ZAhO [TAhE [ZAho [selbri]]]]. For example, smoking is an activity, while habitually smoking is a state, (She smokes), though it can be an activity (She is smoking a lot these days). [I am trying to use Lojban terms for aktionsart here.] Similarly, crossing a frontier is an achievement, a punctual event, but iteratively crossing a frontier is an activity. If one has to cross a frontier thrice per day, then this is an accomplishment ('process' in Lojban terms, I think), though each individual crossing remains an achievement. --- And