Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rHzi3-00007DC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 21:49 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA19018 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:49:56 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKN918TZ6O0008M1@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:48:56 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5239; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 21:50:07 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7708; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:46:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: jei Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HKN919I6DY0008M1@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 924 Lines: 29 la goran cusku di'e > Hey, this is neat: / mi tcenei tu'a > > lu .i majei lo do ctuca cu citno li'u ce'obo > lu .i li piso'i li'u .e > lu .i majei ti xalka li'u ce'obo > lu .i li pisoxa li'u > > You can't get this meaning with {du'u xukau}. > lo de'u smuni na pe'i cumki sepi'o lu du'u xukau co'e li'u That's true, but then those do not involve indirect questions. Like And said, it would make more sense to have a lujvo that means "x1 is the truth value of predication x2" for things like that. It is not very common to use NU directly as predicates, but it is allowed. I like {majei} though. It means something like "How true is it that...?" > BTW, question: > After {xu broda}, {go'i} evaluates to {broda}. > After {ko'a broda}, it evaluates to {ko'a broda}. > If we have a sentence like {ma broda}, what does {go'i} evaluate to? I think to {ma broda} again. {ma} behaves just like an ordinary sumti. Jorge