Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rILbR-00007DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 21:12 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2867; Thu, 15 Dec 94 20:40:52 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2864; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 20:40:45 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4234; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:37:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:37:16 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: plural X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: (Your message of Thu, 15 Dec 94 01:28:59 EST.) Content-Length: 746 Lines: 19 Lojbab: > The baseball team of 9 men scored a run. > lei so prenu [scored a run]. > > But only one person crossed home plate, and at most 4 players were involved in > getting that person to score the run (barring oddities like sacrifice flies > and the like). So piro would be VERY misleading at the least. This is daft. There is one mass - one team - it scored a run, and its score increases, it edges closer to victory, etc. Which parts of the mass were more or less involved than which other parts is not terribly important. If we say "le pa prenu [scored a run]" we don't ask "which part of the prenu? the arms? the legs? was the pancreas involved? ah but the *teeth* had nothing to do with it". Think of a mass as one individual. --- And