Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rIMUY-00007DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 22:09 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4206; Thu, 15 Dec 94 22:09:48 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4204; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:09:48 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8655; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:06:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:47:33 +0200 Reply-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Sender: Lojban list From: Veijo Vilva Subject: Re: Plural X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1481 Lines: 38 la djan. cusku di'e Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 11:42:45 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: plural [...] > > > > Veijo corroborated: > > > > > If I remember correctly, {go'i} doesn't replicate the {na}, so > > > {na go'i} just repeats the negation. > > > > > > I don't see anything else on the thread. > > Well, you are right, but you are drawing the wrong conclusions. Specifically, > Veijo's remark that "{go'i} doesn't replicate the {na}" is incorrect. > A bare "go'i" without any NA ("na" or "ja'a") replicates any "na" in the > referent, but if an explicit NA is present before the "go'i", it overrides > any NA in the referent. Thus: Just my too careless use of English. What I meant at the time was that {go'i} doesn't replicate {na} so as to result in two {na}s in a row :-) when you say {na go'i} after a bridi with {na} :-) {go'i} carries with itself the explicit or implicit NA from the referent. This implicitly carried NA can be overridden with an explicit NA which then will be carried on instead of the original one. You could think that this implicit/explicit NA occupies a virtual sumti place which can filled and refilled like any normal sumti place in a GOhA bridi thus replacing the corresponding virtual sumti in the referent -- but only with another NA. co'o mi'e veion --------------------------------- .i mi du la'o sy. Veijo Vilva sy. ---------------------------------