Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rIpRm-00007DC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 05:04 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA20564 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 05:04:34 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKQF44OW280002ES@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:36:18 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3843; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 21:43:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:41:36 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: SE & FA In-reply-to: <199412160230.AA28736@nfs1.digex.net> from "ucleaar" at Dec 15, 94 09:47:28 pm Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKQFU123620002ES@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: Lojban List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 468 Lines: 13 > se mamta fa mi "I am a mother" > selmamta fa mi "I have a mother" No, they both mean "I have a mother." FA conversions rearrange sumti around the selbri, but it does not matter whether the selbri is a single lujvo or is complex. The place structure of both "se mamta" and "selmamta" is x1 has as mother x2 by relationship x3 -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.