Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13553 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 21:54:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199412100254.AA13553@nfs1.digex.net> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2580; Fri, 09 Dec 94 21:54:13 EST Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4211; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:21:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:22:01 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: 'metalogical descriptions' X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Bob LeChevalier Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Fri Dec 9 21:54:26 1994 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu And: > How do we say things like > the predicate Gerku has 2 places [NB NOT the word 'gerku'] _le se gismu be zo gerku cu se gismu fi lo remei_ The relationship expressed by the word "gerku" is a relationship among a pair of argument roles. > the x1 place of Gerku is a category The x1 of "gerku" would be: {le te gismu befi zo gerku be'o pamoi} or {le pamoi co te gismu befi zo gerku} Now, I don't understand why you would say that it is a category, because the x1 of gerku is rather a member of a category, I think. > members of x1 places are typically agents so'i te gismu pamoi cu gasnu Many x1's are agents. (gasnu is the wrong selbri there, because the argument roles are not agents, they are agent roles, but I don't know how to say that.) Notice that "typically" has nothing to do with time frequency here, so na'o would not be the right word to use. Jorge