Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 16:30:20 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Message-Id: <199412042130.AA15075@access4.digex.net> Subject: Re: (1) loi; (2) le v. la Cc: lojbab@access.digex.net, lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Sun Dec 4 16:30:26 1994 X-From-Space-Address: lojbab >Perhaps I am biased by English, since, so far as I am aware, everything >in English is +veridical. Consequently I may lack the appropriate >intuitions about -veridical. English is certainly NOT veridical. Among other things, we use metonymy heavily, and metonymy is inconsistent with veridicality. "The White House announced a new policy last night." Houses do not announce. And is the policy really "new"? Then there is the classic JCB example of ""le" "That man is really a woman". "That man" cannot be veridical if the statement is true. lojbab