Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rItTW-00007DC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 09:22 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA25238 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 09:22:41 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKQPSWCB9C000CGF@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 07:21:44 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2185; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:19:30 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:21:01 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Q-kau Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKQPSWDETE000CGF@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 996 Lines: 18 >Is this the problem with "indirect questions"? Of course they don't ASK >anything, that's what direct questions do. That doesn't mean that they >are not related. Nobody says that indirect questions are asking anything. I guess this is the crux. To me, in Lojban, the question words are so strongly metalinguistically asking a question, that I have trouble thinking of a mere discursive changing that. ONLY if I think of "makau" as a single undivided unit, can I overcome that instinct, and that goes against the grain of Lojban which says that they are separate words. In English, where the "question words" are also used in indirect questions and as relative pronouns, and maybe a few other ways, the strong semantics usually doesn;t come to the fore (though I am prone these days to making puns based on interpreting them in non-standard ways, per the classic "Who's on First" comedy (if unfamilar with this Jorge, it is worth tracking down as classic American linguistic humor.) lojbab