Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rHmM7-00007DC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 07:34 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA12616 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:34:25 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKMF5K4H9C0001M6@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:33:25 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3802; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:34:35 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9524; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:31:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:32:20 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: plural Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKMF5KUOZQ0001M6@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1256 Lines: 26 >Lojbab to Xorxe: >> No. I think you are attaching too much significance to default quantifiers, >> which work like the space-time reference - they are applicable only so far >> as context demands. > >If this were true (& I bet it isn't) then no default quantifiers should >be specified. If any quantifier can be filled in if none is explicitly >given, the choice of which to fill in should be left to users. I'm not sure. We have the space-time reference conventions, including "story time" etc. as defaults for tense given most contexts, but in actual usage I often say "mi broda" as implying the past tense. The space time reference convention would not generate the past tense as the default. All Lojban defaults are to some extent probable values for an ellipsis, at least in my opinion. I would be willing to be overridden on this by Cowan and/or pc, since I don't think it has been discussed ewxplicitly in design discussions. I think it has just been my implicit (default? %^) assumption. And I do think that the ability to use "le" arbitrarily to minimize metaphysi- cal bias (which is what we label such things as singular/plural and mass/ distributive being mandatory distinctions) is an important precept of the language. lojbab