Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rG1C2-00007DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:00 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8811; Fri, 09 Dec 94 11:00:57 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8806; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:00:55 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4267; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:57:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:07:27 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: habitual/typical X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 995 Lines: 31 la bob cusku di'e > > na'o kalte fa lo mlatu loi smacu > > Hunting is a typical relationship between cats (x1 or hunter) and > mice (x2 or prey). > > We look at other cats and other mice and other instances of hunting. > This works, but you do have to look at the whole bridi. To me {lo mlatu} is "at least one cat", not cats in general. To get the meaning you suggest I'd say kalte fa lo'e mlatu lo'e smacu na'o/ta'e say what fraction of the interval is covered by the event happening, I don't think it can change the sumti from {lo} to {lo'e}. > Now, let's try `habitually' in that utterance: > > > ta'e kalte fa lo mlatu loi smacu > > Here we have to look at the hunting and at the cat and its previous > experience and at the mouse and its previous experience (or the > plurals of these, or the `Mr. Mouse' entity). This works, too. Its experience previous to what? Does ta'e make reference to what went on before the interval in question? Jorge