Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rItZc-00007DC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 09:29 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA25336 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 09:28:59 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKQQ1P3MKW0004VK@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 07:28:02 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2226; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:25:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:27:22 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Q-kau Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKQQ1P4NB60004VK@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 705 Lines: 17 >la veion cusku di'e > >> Personally I think that Lojban ought to have available such forms >> of quantified sumti that the meaning of a bridi involving these >> sumti survives SE conversion, i.e. the distributive properties of >> quantifiers ought to be controllable so that a desired distribution >> doesn't dictate the ordering of sumti. > >There is a way to control it: use the prenex. Using the prenex with "lo" kinda violates the purpose of "lo" which was to shorten things and eliminate the need to deal with bound variables. If it does not shorten things, I simply use your oft-repeated syllable argument against you: "da poi" takes only one more syllable and is much clearer. lojbab