Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rIovg-00007DC; Sat, 17 Dec 94 04:31 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA18166 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:31:22 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKQF44OW280002ES@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:17:25 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5696; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:17:02 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:18:56 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: SE & FA In-reply-to: <199412160946.AA25031@access3.digex.net> from "Logical Language Group" at Dec 16, 94 04:46:12 am Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKQF6LMYFC0002ES@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: Lojban List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 888 Lines: 19 la lojbab cusku di'e la .and. > No. "fa" manipulation is conseidered totally metalinguistic. You MUST > physically rearrange the pieces to know what is meant. I think this > even overrides scope issues, though I am not sure we addressed the issue. > (Thus "broda de fa roda" would mean the same as "roda broda de"). I don't > feel real strooong on scope interaction and "FA" if you-all who like to > use it want scope to be spoken order dependent. I am more concerned with > SE conversion. I asked you this a long time ago, and you said that FA did not override scope (at that time, we were thinking only of explicit da-series variables); scope was determined by surface order only. I think that sticking to this rule is and continues to be the Right Thing. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.