Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rIZ8e-00007DC; Fri, 16 Dec 94 11:39 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA18338 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:39:45 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKPGB8VDK0000ADE@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:38:37 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9300; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:36:26 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 04:36:58 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: scope of zo Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKPGB8VQQQ000ADE@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 637 Lines: 24 >> zo mav rafsi zo mavji > >What distinguishes this from > > zo mavrafsi zo mavji ... > >or > > zo ma vrafsi [supposing there is a rafsi vra] > >? "mavrafsi" fails tosmabru test, so change example to: > > zo mla rafsi vs. zo mlarafsi Since "mav" is a name in Lojban, it will be followed by a pause in spoeech. Therefore it will not glue onto the following word. This is why names must be followed by a pause. "zo mla" is ungrammatical, since "mla" is not a Lojban word. You would need zoi delimited quotes to make it work. "zo" in general should not be used with rafsi. Try lu myly.abu li'u as another alternative. lojbab