Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rI8a8-00007DC; Thu, 15 Dec 94 07:18 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA09916 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 07:18:23 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKNSW1KMQO00074X@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 05:17:24 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2902; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 07:18:34 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1913; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 06:15:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 00:16:39 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: plural Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HKNSW26OPY00074X@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 662 Lines: 16 >I have to agree with Jorge here. The default quantifiers are in effect >unless overridden, and "le ci nanmu cu bevri le ci mudri" means that each >of the three men carried three logs each. > >However, the +specific nature of "le" means that there are at most three >logs operating here: it can't be the case that each man carried a different >group of three logs. > Yes but my statement re defaults did was not referring to situations where you actually supplied onm of the values. I can live with "le tu'o broda" meaning "su'o le tu'o broda" - I am questioning whether "le broda" without quantifiers could be pitu'o le pa broda (which is a mass). lojbab