Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rG6G7-00007DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 16:25 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2721; Fri, 09 Dec 94 16:25:32 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2718; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:25:31 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7147; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:22:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:22:42 EST Reply-To: bob@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: bob@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: habitual X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199412090922.EAA09397@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> (message from Jorge Llambias on Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:07:27 EST) Content-Length: 1101 Lines: 25 > Now, let's try `habitually' in that utterance: > > > ta'e kalte fa lo mlatu loi smacu > > Here we have to look at the hunting and at the cat and its previous > experience and at the mouse and its previous experience (or the > plurals of these, or the `Mr. Mouse' entity). This works, too. jorge@phyast.pitt.edu said Its experience previous to what? Does ta'e make reference to what went on before the interval in question? Yes, I think it must. Otherwise the word cannnot have a meaning different from {na'o}, as you originally pointed out. Essentially, what I am saying is that {na'o} suggests looking at the experiences of *different* entities of the same category, occuring but (in theory at least, potentially,) at the same in time, while {ta'e} suggests looking at other experiences in the same category of the *same* entities, which of neccessity occur at different times. Robert J. Chassell bob@gnu.ai.mit.edu 25 Rattlesnake Mountain Road bob@grackle.stockbridge.ma.us Stockbridge, MA 01262-0693 USA (413) 298-4725