Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rElg4-00007GC; Tue, 6 Dec 94 00:14 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0714; Tue, 06 Dec 94 00:14:49 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0707; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:14:46 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5176; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:11:27 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:04:44 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Lojban gadri X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199412022213.AA20261@nfs2.digex.net> from "Jorge Llambias" at Dec 2, 94 03:10:34 pm Content-Length: 1092 Lines: 23 la xorxes. cusku di'e > la djan cusku di'e > > > The fact that "lei" is +specific doesn't affect what its outside quantifier > > is, since (as I said before), the outside quantifiers of masses aren't > > true logical quantifiers: the true quantifier in the sense of predicate > > logic is always "pa". The apparent quantifier is really a fractionator: > > we massify some number of components, determined by the inside quantifier > > (really a set cardinal, as pc says), get some fraction of it, specific or > > non-specific as the gadri tells us, and then use that as a singular term. > > I think the fractionator is nonspecific unless it is piro. If you are > referring to a specific fraction, then {le pisu'o} will do the job. > Otherwise, how do you refer to a nonspecific fraction of an in-mind > specific mass? You are right and I was wrong. "lei" is -specific, unless an explicit "piro" appears. However, the stuff inside the "lei" is +implicitly_restricted. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.