Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rEaEu-000082C; Mon, 5 Dec 94 12:01 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3711; Sun, 04 Dec 94 23:27:27 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3708; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:27:27 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4251; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 22:24:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 16:25:17 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: mu pemcrlimriki be fi la xorxe jambi gihe mibrocta X-To: ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 391 Lines: 9 >What *isn't* a culturally dependent reference? Well, any use of a brivla where you cannot fill in the places strictly according to the place struture is neither veridical nor culturally independent. If the information needed to fill in the places relies on outside context, and that context is not universally shared by all cultures, it is culturally dependent unless clarified. lojbab