Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rHnxL-00007DC; Wed, 14 Dec 94 09:16 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16787 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:16:59 +0200 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-7 #2494) id <01HKMIQQWKY8000205@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:16:00 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4704; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:17:10 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2254; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:13:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:15:17 +0000 From: ucleaar Subject: Re: reply: (1) veridicality In-reply-to: (Your message of Wed, 14 Dec 94 00:36:09 EST.) <199412140536.AA13339@access1.digex.net> Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: ucleaar Message-id: <01HKMIQQXSAA000205@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 706 Lines: 18 Lojbab: > >But "lo" does have a use other than as a veridicality particle. > >"lo broda" = "da poi broda", i.e. existential quantification, > >while "le broda" doesn't - "le broda" is a reference to a constant, > >not toa bound variable. > > But I can't agree with you. That equals sign is not correct. "lo broda" > does not reference any particular bound variable. It implies that there > could be an alternate phrasing using a bound variable (although there are > still questions of scope for such a variable, last I recall). Can you write me the proposition grammatically encoded by "la lojbab cilre lo cukta" in predicate calculs form, without there being a bound variable? I think not. --- And