Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 01:45:17 -0500
From: Logical Language Group <lojbab@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
Subject: Re: kau obverse
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To: Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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>.i mi djuno le du'u zo'e kau klama le zarci
>is close to my revised formulation:
>
>.i mi sanji da kau klama lo zarci
>as lojbab intends it (I hope)
>but I read lojbab's sentence as:
>
>I know the factual predication: some unspecified person goes to the market.
>This doesn't say that I know exactly who went, it only says I know some
>unspecifed person goes.  To say that I know "who" went I would need to
>say I know the referent of the predication:
>.i mi djuno la'e le du'u zo'e kau klama le zarci.
>
>I might add that if xa'a were accepted, we could say:
>--More--
>.i mi djuno xa'a dakau klama le zarci.
 
zo'e is elliptical, and if you want to use the term "unspecified", do not
equate it to non-specific (i.e. -specific) because it is I think +specific
 
(how this statement of specificity interacts with the fact that zo'e might
represent "lo" which has been taken to be specifically non-specific, I will
leave to someone else to debate)
 
at least to the extent thhat I can supply a non-zo'e value if asked to
substantiate.  Thus zo'ekau could but need not be identical to xa'adakau, if
zo'e's specific value is xa'ada.
 
lojbab