Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rGCMW-00007DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 22:56 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0247; Fri, 09 Dec 94 22:56:32 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0246; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:56:31 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1204; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 21:53:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:56:20 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: About 'zasti' X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 617 Lines: 17 la rob cusku di'e > >zasti zat za'i exist > >x1 exists/is real/actual/reality for x2 under metaphysics x3 > > In my opinion, this definition (though perfectly "politically correct" :) > is not satisfactory. I tend to agree with you. If I believe that something exists, then I believe it exists for everybody. If I want to say that in my opinion something exists but I accept that you think that it doesn't, then I wouldn't say {ko'a na zasti do}, since in my opinion it exists for everybody. Unless the x2 is the place for the one who holds the opinion, but then every selbri should have such a place. Jorge