Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rG1CD-00007DC; Fri, 9 Dec 94 11:00 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8822; Fri, 09 Dec 94 11:01:08 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8821; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:01:01 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4284; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:57:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:42:30 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: Order of time tenses X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: (Your message of Wed, 07 Dec 94 19:47:22 EST.) Content-Length: 1099 Lines: 21 > TAhE says how the interval is to be filled by the event. (I'm including > the 'numberROI' here with TAhE.) It can be continuously filled with one > event, regularly with an indeterminate number of repetitions, etc. > > ZAhO says what "phase" we are talking about. The "phase" can coincide > with the event proper (ca'o), be some time after the event proper (ba'o), > before the start of the event proper (pu'o), after what should have been > the end but wasn't (za'o), at the start (co'a), at the end (co'u), etc. I should have thought it necessary to have [ZAhO [TAhE [ZAho [selbri]]]]. For example, smoking is an activity, while habitually smoking is a state, (She smokes), though it can be an activity (She is smoking a lot these days). [I am trying to use Lojban terms for aktionsart here.] Similarly, crossing a frontier is an achievement, a punctual event, but iteratively crossing a frontier is an activity. If one has to cross a frontier thrice per day, then this is an accomplishment ('process' in Lojban terms, I think), though each individual crossing remains an achievement. --- And