Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rFUrj-00006wC; Thu, 8 Dec 94 00:29 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1290; Thu, 08 Dec 94 00:29:53 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1287; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 00:29:52 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7198; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:26:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:31:44 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: TECH: existential quantification X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 469 Lines: 12 la i,n cusku di'e > I would like to be able to distinguish > in a relatively straightforward manner between the concrete event "I swim > (in the XYZ indoor swimming pool between 11:00 and 12:00 on Wednesday the > 7th of December etc.)" and the abstract event "I swim". What you describe (which I've deleted) is what I understand as the difference between transparent and opaque reference. I would refer to those two as {lo nu mi limna} and {lo'e nu mi limna}. Jorge