Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rEaEF-00007NC; Mon, 5 Dec 94 12:01 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3115; Sat, 03 Dec 94 03:25:33 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3111; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 03:25:32 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2868; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 02:22:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:10:34 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Lojban gadri X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 777 Lines: 16 la djan cusku di'e > The fact that "lei" is +specific doesn't affect what its outside quantifier > is, since (as I said before), the outside quantifiers of masses aren't > true logical quantifiers: the true quantifier in the sense of predicate > logic is always "pa". The apparent quantifier is really a fractionator: > we massify some number of components, determined by the inside quantifier > (really a set cardinal, as pc says), get some fraction of it, specific or > non-specific as the gadri tells us, and then use that as a singular term. I think the fractionator is nonspecific unless it is piro. If you are referring to a specific fraction, then {le pisu'o} will do the job. Otherwise, how do you refer to a nonspecific fraction of an in-mind specific mass? Jorge