From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Mon Jan 2 16:00:52 1995 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24398 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 16:00:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199501022100.AA24398@nfs1.digex.net> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8750; Mon, 02 Jan 95 16:02:42 EST Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1816; Mon, 2 Jan 1995 16:02:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:28:43 -0800 Reply-To: Gerald Koenig Sender: Lojban list From: Gerald Koenig Subject: Stacked Spatial Tenses To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Status: RO A drill instructor and his lojbo squad are facing the top of your screen, which represents the far side of a drill field. He holds his position and barks: ko cadzu ca'uvi ri'uvi ri'uvi ri'uvi Definitions: ko: imperative you cadzu: march ca'u: forward vi: a little distance ri'u: right Dictionary disclaimer: Consult lojbab on the mount for full definitions. (humor) Does the squad trace out pattern A; (O is the start) ^ * * * * > * * * * * * * * O< * * * * Or pattern B? ^ * * * *> * * * *> * * * *> * * * * O If the drill instructor marches along always facing the same way as the squad, which pattern is traced? Basically I want to know if the spatial tenses are are bound to the speaker's position, and if not when and how does the coordinate system change origin or orientation. Is the system always relative to the speaker's current position by default? Is "ko cadzu ca'avi ki etc. " necessary to get pattern B when the drill instructor marches along? djer